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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: thoth on August 23, 2011, 04:31 pm
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OK, here's the scoop:
I tried to order some MDMA from seller aakoven. Apparently I didn't read every last letter on his page, and he shoots me back a message saying, "CAN U READ?" Civility is not in his vocabulary, apparently. I sent him a quick reply to say he's being a jerk, and he sends back a message telling me he's got my address printed out, etc. It sounds kinda threatening, in my estimation. Here's the entirety of the exchange:
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From: aakoven
Date: August 22, 2011, 5:19 am UTC
CAN U READ?
INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT: USA & AUS read the terms..plzz
***** don,t order ...first read.!!!!!the TERMS......
INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT: YES USA ! *
If you still want something, I will ship to your country. HERE ARE MY TERMS ****
@@@@@@@@ READ PLZZZZZZZ !!! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@
**Bitcoin must be immediately transferred , BEFORE I send you the product. No Escrow.***
IN ACCOUNT >
Send bitcoins to another Silk Road member:
AAKOVEN [its .bitc. ]
1 gr. ,,ok?
i have your envelope already printed. with your address on it.!!
AA
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From: thoth
Date: August 22, 2011, 6:17 pm UTC
You're a jerk, man.
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From: aakoven(98)
20 hours ago
re: subject
lol well thxx u.
so let me get this strait , wen u go in a store , and there are rules ,
[its my shop]
and u dont like it..u call the guy a jerk.!!
but if u read..in BIG LETTERSSSSSS
DONT ORDER....
AND A AM THE JERK..THEN WHAT ARE U.....?
AND , READ HERE..
i have your envelope already printed. with your address on it.!!
MR [redacted]......
HAVE a nice day sir....love u...
AA
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From: thoth
5 minutes ago
re: subject
I have no idea what you're trying to tell me. Your English is atrocious.
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I really don't have any bones to pick with this guy, unless he's threatening me with something. I'd like to know what his intentions are.
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I don't have any biases one way or another, so take this as my simple opinion: you definitely misread the intention of his post and seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill.
I'll translate:
INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT: USA & AUS read the terms..plzz
***** don,t order ...first read.!!!!!the TERMS......
Don't add to cart/check out, please read the terms on my profile page first.
INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT: YES USA ! *
If you still want something, I will ship to your country. HERE ARE MY TERMS ****
@@@@@@@@ READ PLZZZZZZZ !!! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Yeah, I can ship to USA, if you're still interested. But seriously, this part is important.
**Bitcoin must be immediately transferred , BEFORE I send you the product. No Escrow.***
IN ACCOUNT >
Send bitcoins to another Silk Road member:
AAKOVEN [its .bitc. ]
I ship out of escrow. You should pay me by going to Account > Bitcoin Transfer to SR member > Transfer to user AAKOVEN.
1 gr. ,,ok?
i have your envelope already printed. with your address on it.!!
Is 1 gram okay? I got your address from the order you tried to place through the checkout system, and I have it on the envelope ready to go! All I need is your confirmation and for you to pay me using the method I described above.
entire second post
Really? I put my rules in plain sight for you to see, you don't read them, then suddenly I'M the jerk? How would this behavior fly if you came into a retail store and tried to use that same train of logic?
I'll let you order again, but this time, please read the rules.
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Seriously, was that so hard?
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not taking sides but i have viewed his page, mes him regarding a order and he seems like a fair guy,warned me irish customs intercepting lot off his stuff as post marked holland hence no escrow,which is fair enough, so put off ordering. i typically supect the us customs will do the same . the guy makes his rules prity clear mate,why u order? then bitch about his rules? and picking on his english a bit unfair. the dutch from my experiences as reg visitor can speak german, french and dutch as they are taught it in school and are also prity good at english. have u tryed speaking dutch? it hard as shit!! i supect another usa bloke expecting everything and talking down others ability,that the way most dutch view u guys and irish for that matter and ur not helping change my few.
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Seems to me like he was ready to drive it right over to the post office and you called him a jerk for it.
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aakoven is a great seller (im not him) my first MD order went NL to UK in 48 h, nicely packed. responsible seller too, sent some harm reduction links in his confirmation email. Good translation from spindrift :P
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"i have your envelope already printed. with your address on it.!!
MR [redacted]......
HAVE a nice day sir....love u...
AA"
That does seem a bit threatening to me but maybe it's their English. But also they way they are demanding payment out of escrow isn't cool at all esp if they are using the SR listing system...how many times must this be covered? Sellers using the SR listing system to sell and advertise their wares only to demand payment out of escrow is getting really old. What's the point of having rules if so many just completely disregard them.
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I don't have any biases one way or another, so take this as my simple opinion: you definitely misread the intention of his post and seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill.
I'll translate:
INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT: USA & AUS read the terms..plzz
***** don,t order ...first read.!!!!!the TERMS......
Don't add to cart/check out, please read the terms on my profile page first.
INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENT: YES USA ! *
If you still want something, I will ship to your country. HERE ARE MY TERMS ****
@@@@@@@@ READ PLZZZZZZZ !!! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Yeah, I can ship to USA, if you're still interested. But seriously, this part is important.
**Bitcoin must be immediately transferred , BEFORE I send you the product. No Escrow.***
IN ACCOUNT >
Send bitcoins to another Silk Road member:
AAKOVEN [its .bitc. ]
I ship out of escrow. You should pay me by going to Account > Bitcoin Transfer to SR member > Transfer to user AAKOVEN.
1 gr. ,,ok?
i have your envelope already printed. with your address on it.!!
Is 1 gram okay? I got your address from the order you tried to place through the checkout system, and I have it on the envelope ready to go! All I need is your confirmation and for you to pay me using the method I described above.
entire second post
Really? I put my rules in plain sight for you to see, you don't read them, then suddenly I'M the jerk? How would this behavior fly if you came into a retail store and tried to use that same train of logic?
I'll let you order again, but this time, please read the rules.
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Seriously, was that so hard?
This is the situation...AAkoven is an awesome vendor and you should not worry about his items, he knows what he's doing...He's english is not american so something like "civility" gets lost in translation.
Do what you think is best but I'll vouch for AAkoven.
:D
nomad bloodbath
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Just want to say that Aakoven is AMAZING! 6 days from NL to Canada, I'm beyond impressed. The quality is extremely pure, much more pure than what's available from sellers of Adam in Canada. I will definitely do business again.
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"i have your envelope already printed. with your address on it.!!
MR [redacted]......
HAVE a nice day sir....love u...
AA"
That does seem a bit threatening to me but maybe it's their English. But also they way they are demanding payment out of escrow isn't cool at all esp if they are using the SR listing system...how many times must this be covered? Sellers using the SR listing system to sell and advertise their wares only to demand payment out of escrow is getting really old. What's the point of having rules if so many just completely disregard them.
I honestly believe that Aakoven is saying that he has the envelope ready to send, and will do so as soon as he receives payment. I see no threats there at all.
His English is not good... but his products and packaging are.
And as for the USA/out of Escrow thing, well the alternative is for him simply not to send to the US at all. If you are not comfortable ordering out of Escrow, do not order from him. He is sending from Holland, and you as a buyer in the USA *MUST* accept some of the risk. This is Holland dude, pretty much drugs capital of the world.